You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. Its difficult to believe thats a coincidence. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. But were way past the days of major league, internationally known gunmakers turning out complete crap, selling it and the public living with it. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. I carry one in my front pocket routinely. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). D. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). That could happen easily. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. is the manual safety a kit you add? Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Too Many Accidents Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. Yesterday, a Canadian news outlet, CBC News, published a story regarding the unintended discharge last year of a SIG P320 by a Canadian Special Operator, resulting in injury and his unit withdrawing the pistol from service. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? Sig P320 discharge while holstered. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! It has been flawless so far. Time will tell if no. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. As a striker-fired pistol, the P320 is "under constant pressure to fire," Bagnell said. What it likely means is that cops and other law enforcement officers carry and handle their guns far more often than the average Joe or Jane. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. Funny how that works. At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. I sold that pistol when I got it back. Mine is very accurate. He quickly too quickly tried to pick up the gun from the floor before anyone could see it, and in his haste, he picked it up with his finger on the trigger and accidentally fired the gun. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. Weird how that might happen. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Anyway around here they do. Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. One hell of a conspiracy. When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. Excellent work. OR some gorilla with more brawn than brains ignored the 40lb trigger pull they suddenly had to break the tab. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. How about something more relevant. It upgraded its P320 pistols in October 2018, before the middle school incident, spokeswoman Amanda. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . My gun just went off! Thats deflecting from the real issue. Wheee!!. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. Third, Glock has had problems, too. To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. But breaking news here, skippy. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. Whether or not the suits have merit. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. I still own them all. Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. The Milwaukee Police Department reports "multiple unexplained accidental discharges" of the Sig Sauer P320 9mm, a gun all officers are required to carry, making for more than 1,600 firearms. Miraculously, no one was hit by the bullet, which ricocheted around inside the vehicle. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. Being prosecuted and convicted of a third degree felony in Texas can lead to: Incarceration in a Texas state prison for a term of two years or up to 10 years. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. But it hardly indicts the P320 as a badly engineered weapon or that its worse than another brand. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. L. LRRifleman . About $300. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. . A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. brakes, remember? But this time, the sound bites used were different. I used to laugh at his bragging about how skilled he was with a weapon.. Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves.. Its hard to say yet but with anything follow the basic safety rules. The P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost . They function as commanded every time. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. Its just dumb enough to sound like the plot to a damned Disney film. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report.