May God bless Bob. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. My mother is divorced, as are a few others in the congregation. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. S.J. 1 Timothy 5:17 Deception, 61. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. Yes, I knew the life he led, and there was nothing externally that suggested he was anything but a vile sinner who was never saved. this is a great book research on cultist church 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! People who study dont fall so easily for false teaching. How can you not see that? WHAT IS AN INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST CHURCH? Baptists are not Protestants! One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? He told me that he attends a independent Baptist Church and stressed the importance of the small ( i ) in the name. The New Testament teaches that Christ is the head of the church,(Eph. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. 2 . So you made assumptions based on very little. I would also venture to say the same of you, which you said of me. Some Baptist historians, have made attempts at doing this, but in many cases refer to groups as early Baptists who did not in fact hold to pure Baptist beliefs as held today. You have accused Greg of, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture., yet you have essentially done the same thing. Select church size. She is not shunned. 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Any church fellowship that encourages avoiding another Christian denomination/fellowship, even if they uphold & believe these, b/c they are not of the same denomination are in gross error & a cult. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. Many Protestant denominations still hold to the writings of their church fathers as a source of church doctrine and have never accepted the Bible as their sole source of teachings for their faith and practice, which is a foundational teaching of Catholicism. And to top it off you have very strange sayings that I have no idea what they mean, the last half of the verse at Acts 9:5 is an example It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks WHAT! About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! They were a New Testament church, not because of a succession of churches or men, but because they formed their church on the principles of the New Testament. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. Here is the Scripture Im refering to: In Luke 11:42 he says, But woe to you Pharisees! I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. Fundamental Baptists are strict in interpreting the Bible in a literal sense. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. You know, when you really dig into many religions you find much of mans tradition. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. Or, I hope that youve beaten your children today, 13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. In the many books on church history which make up the bibliography for this paper, there is not one recorded incident of a Baptist church beginning founded out of Roman Catholicism. And only imagination could describe what his mind and soul was experiencing. (1 Tim. Knolleys was under deep conviction of the need to preach the New Testament and follow its example as ones rule of faith. [CDATA[ He continued to read the New Testament, and became fully aware that infant baptism, sprinkling for baptism, and allowing unsaved people to be members of the church was not Scriptural. It was horrible. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. These churches appear to have been baptistic and remained sound until Austin, the Catholic monk brought Catholicism to the Isles in 597 AD. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? I cannot know. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. Matthew 7:1&2, Judge not, that ye be not judged. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. @greg Independent Church. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. My point is that Tithing is good since Jesus says they should not have left it undone. Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist Church? A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. In 1638, he landed in Boston and settled for a short time in Piscataway (now Dover) in New Hampshire. I understand all that. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Do you think you can bring others to Christ in this manner? LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE MODERNIST CHURCH In 1631, he arrived in Boston. 77. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. But they should not be confused with Fundamental Baptists. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. It should be free. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. Although we gladly accept donations offered it is not required. p.s. The cause is clear. In Amsterdam, he with Thomas Helwys and thirty six others formed the first Baptist church of English people known to have stood for baptism of believers only. This church was not founded on a man, but on the Bible. In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. 3. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. There were nine original members of the church which included two women. Find an Independent Baptist Church Near You http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. I will not post here again. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists - Truth and Song Since you seem to be more of an authority on this, could you recommend some source material which would specifically deal with this from an IBC perspective? It is the clergymen who are affiliated. Enter city. INDEPENDENT This simply means that the church stands alone, free of any governing denomination, convention or council. My responsibility is to preach the Word. (1 Tim. Just curious. The Official Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rulebook No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. IFB churches are not the problem. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. It began with a man named John Smyth who was a bishop in the Church of England. About Us - International Baptist Missions But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. They will not participate, on a church basis, or any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. baptistinfo.org There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. Faithful Word Baptist Church is a young, family-integrated church. I dont understand the context of your comment. Dont misunderstand, I believe we are to preach and testify, but, from what I understand no ones blood will be on my hands if they wind up in Hell. HWY 3 NW. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. You can tell right away that something doesnt sound right. I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. Shall we offer excuses that were only human? Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. Greetings, Independent Baptist - Wikipedia Shady Acres Baptist Church August Campmeeting; All purchases through OUR BOOKSTORE & RESOURCES TAB cover the cost of operating the KJV church directory thereby making the site totally FREE and never asking for donation help. Any idiot can do that. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. I love your statement above about The Grace economy I think Im going to have to borrow it. So wonderful to hear you are making progress in your spiritual journey. Independent Baptist Church - Category KJV Churches God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. . KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . 521 13 AVE W. WILLISTON ND 58801 (701) 572-7839 CH. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. Thank you for writing back. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? halftruth and deception ministries. Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html. That shows your lack of emotional maturity. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to Have a look at Matthew 15. @bob PO BOX 346. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. It is an important part of the church. The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. @greg The not so fine folks at Westboro Baptist are a bunch of lunatic fringe haters that act in contrast to the love of Christ they espouse to embrace. Northwest Bible Baptist Church is an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental Baptist church in Elgin, IL that believes, preaches, and practices the Bible. I am an IFB. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. Also, and Im not sure how to word this question properly, but during the building of the original NT church as described in Acts and further in the rest of the NT, wouldnt they have had to subscribe to some form of outside authority and control in order for the church to be formed? There's only one way to heaven, and that . He returned to Salem where he was summoned before the court in Boston because of his outspoken beliefs and was banished from the colony. He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. Protestants for centuries saw the Baptists as their enemies and murdered them by the thousands in the name of Protestantism. Is this really what youre doing here? Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. He then begins crying, Im not an expert at body language, but it certainly seemed contrived, preachertainment some would call it. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. The Dutch colony of New York for a time persecuted Baptists within its territories. They reject the efforts of the many who spiritually interpret the Scriptures, placing hidden or specially revealed meanings to the words of the Bible. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. Lynne, They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. IFCA International was founded in 1930 as the Independent Fundamental Churches of America in response to the growing apostasy within the major denominations. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches in Chandler, AZ Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. The business is listed under baptist church category. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Independent-Fundamental-Churches-of-America, Official Site of IFCA International, Grandville, Michigan, United States. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. Northwest bible baptist church, elgin, il This is not to say there were no Baptists in Britain earlier, but that this began a line of churches whose history can be traced. It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. fundamental, Baptist, church. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. Independent Fundamental Churches of America - Britannica I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. Not because of how we dress but by who we are. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. Ministry experience: Over thirty years of experience in Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches, serving in . You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible. Im trying to figure out if it was worse of me for not using scripture to answer your question, which btw is not a question that required scripture, or yanking a handful of verses completely out of context as you did.